Long Queues Cause Multi-Hour Wait For Tejon Ranch Tesla Supercharger — Here’s Why It Was The Perfect Storm

There’s a photograph which has been doing the rounds on the Internet for the past two days, popping up in various social media streams and in some cases, even being used by some Chevrolet Volt owners to mock fully-electric cars. Taken on December 26, it shows a line of Tesla Model S electric sedans queuing politely for a chance to charge at the Tejon Ranch Supercharger site just over 80 miles north of Los Angeles along Interstate 5.

It was the perfect storm. Photo: Russell Wong (used with permission)

It was the perfect storm. Photo: Russell Wong (used with permission)

Reports on the Tesla Motors Club forum accompanying the photograph talk about fifteen or more cars at a time waiting to for a slot at one of the six Supercharger stalls available at the location  Those arriving at the busiest point of the day reported a wait of more than 1 hour and 45 minutes before even plugging their car in.

It’s a photograph which may strike fear into the heart of even the most hardened electric car fans — and elicit some serious schadenfreude from those who view plug-in cars as little more than a plaything for wealthy liberals who happily take taxpayer money to buy a super-expensive electric car. And while the story has been generally ignored by the mainstream media thus far, it’s one which we’re sure electric car skeptics and Fox News anchors like Neil Cavuto (to name just one) will undoubtedly get super-excited about. In fact, we can already imagine some of the salacious headlines.

On a perfect day, there's always a spare place to charge at.

On a perfect day, there’s always a spare place to charge at.

But while we’re sure some will be tempted to report the sensationalist angle of this particular story, it’s worth remembering that in this instance, the day, the location, some less than ideal weather and terrible wildfires conspired to make the Tejon Ranch Queue of Christmas 2015 the perfect storm of EV charging nightmares.

Here’s where everything went wrong — and how we think electric car owners can react in the future to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

A busy route, on a super-busy day

Ask any Californian what I-5 is like, and they’ll tell you it’s a generally busy road, especially between Los Angeles and San Francisco. A popular commuter route between the two major cities, I-5 always gets busy around the holiday season as people from both Silicon Valley and LA escape to visit friends and family.

According to the AAA, the busiest days in the U.S. for travel revolve around our biggest holidays: Thanksgiving, July 4th, Memorial Day Weekend and Labor Day Weekend are all high-traffic days. So too are the days leading up and away from Christmas and New Year.

Put these factors together, and you’re left with a higher-than-usual demand for any Tesla Supercharger along the I-5 corridor — or in fact, along any major route served by Tesla Superchargers between major cities where Tesla has a healthy customer base.

Poor weather, uphill climb, heavier cars

In addition to the larger number of Tesla Model S cars making trips due to the season, the weather on December 26 wasn’t ideal for long-distance electric car trips. According to Weather Underground, the Tejon Ranch was a good nine degrees Fahrenheit colder than the seasonal average for the area. While it wasn’t cold enough for snow and there wasn’t’ any rain at the Tejon Ranch Supercharger site, some who drove that day reported a strong northerly headwind. Weather Underground reports that this was gusting at times to speeds of 17 mph. Nearby weather stations did report varying precipitation, with snow recorded at some locations near the Tejon Pass summit.

It doesn't matter where you are or what route you're on: bad weather and hills kill range.

It doesn’t matter where you are or what route you’re on: bad weather and hills kill range.

Which brings us nicely to the next point. With a strong headwind for those heading north, the almost relentless climb from downtown Los Angeles (285 feet) to the top of the Tejon Pass (4,133 feet) would have dramatically reduced the range of the otherwise long-legged Tesla Model S cars travelling along I-5. If we assume that not all those driving were used to longer-distance trips or less-than-perfect weather, we can assume that some would have been caught unawares by the range-zapping capabilities of driving uphill in a headwind. Add in a heavier than normal car (due to all those extra presents and luggage from a Christmas away from home) and it’s easy to see how range was impacted.

Result? More people were finding they needed to stop at Tejon Ranch for a Supercharge, even with the accurate range-coaching and prediction software built into every Model S.

(Need more proof? Read Staff Car Report: Nissan LEAF Vs Mountain and our more recent winter road trip on the same route to see just what kind of impact weather and terrain can have on an electric car range.)

Wildfires, road closures

As it has most of this year, the state of California — particularly Southern California — has suffered some severe wildfire breakouts in recent days. Over the Christmas period, wildfires in Ventura County have destroyed 1,200 acres of land and caused multiple road closures, including portions of the Pacific Coast Highway and U.S. Route 101.

Terrifying wild fires closed the PCH and U.S. 101, forcing more Tesla owners to Tejon.

Terrifying wild fires closed the PCH and U.S. 101, forcing more Tesla owners to Tejon. (Image: Google Maps)

This meant for some Tesla owners that their usual routes home were blocked, forcing them to stay on I-5 and head further north before heading towards the coast. And while the detour wouldn’t have cost them any extra money due to the fact that Tesla offers Supercharging free of charge to every customer, it did increase demand on the Tejon Ranch Supercharger, as those heading to cities like Santa Maria or Santa Barbara would have been forced to make a wide detour via the Tejon Ranch Supercharger to ensure they had enough range to make it home.

Already popular site

The final piece in the great Tesla Supercharger Queue of 2015 was the unfortunate fact that the Tejon Ranch Supercharger, even on a regular weekday, is a very popular Supercharger site. Located just past the Tejon Pass, it’s a logical place to refuel before heading north towards Harris Ranch. And while Tesla is currently building a new Supercharger station near Button Williow, just outside Bakersfield some 40 miles further north, it hasn’t opened yet.

Some sites are more popular than others. Photo: Russell Wong (with permission)

Some sites are more popular than others. Photo: Russell Wong (with permission)

Regulars who use the I-5 corridor tell us that they regularly plan on avoiding Tejon Ranch if they can, travelling the 190 miles from Burbank to Harris Ranch Superchargers on one charge. But we’re guessing not everyone who left on Saturday morning to head north did so with a full battery pack. Moreover, not everyone who made the trip would have done so in a Tesla Model S with the 85 kWh battery pack needed to make that segment of the trip easy on a single charge.

We understand that Tesla is already looking into expanding the Tejon Ranch site due to its popularity, but it’s also worth noting that like any charging network, it’s impossible for Tesla or any other provider to cover every eventuality in infrastructure deployment. At some point, if electric cars continue to rise in popularity, the charging network will start to feel the strain — and popular routes will feel that strain before less popular ones.

We’re also told by drivers who were there that Tesla did send employees to the site to help manage the Supercharger queues and hand out snacks and water to those waiting. Last time we checked, that didn’t happen when queues break out for gas stations or indeed regular non-Tesla charging stations.

Lessons to learn

With the nightmarish queues of Saturday hopefully now a distant memory for most, there are at least some lessons that can be learned to ensure that in the future, less people are left waiting for hours for a simple recharge.


It doesn’t matter if you’re driving a humble Nissan LEAF or a top-spec Tesla Model S, it’s always worth doing some planning ahead of any long-distance trip. Having an always-on Internet connection in your car, as well as plenty of ways to check the route is one thing — but it’s no substitute for a good backup plan.

As a rule of thumb, when weather is bad or traffic is heavier than usual, it’s always worth mentally blocking off some of your car’s range before departing on a long distance trip. Treat it just like an emergency cash buffer in your checking account: try to keep it at a healthy level at all times so you can dip into it in the event of an unexpected emergency.

It doesn't matter what car you drive -- planning makes a long-distance trip far easier.

It doesn’t matter what car you drive — planning makes a long-distance trip far easier.

Where possible too, plan a backup. In the case of those Tesla Model S owners stuck at Tejon, a quick check on PlugShare tells us that there’s a place in nearby Lebec which offers a NEMA 14-50 charging outlet for $25 per hour. While it’s no Supercharger, anyone with a mobile charging adaptor for their Model S would have been able to add 60 miles of range in the time it took them to queue for a spot at Tejon. Sure, it would have been a pricy cost, but could have been enough to help at least some Model S owners avoid the queue altogether.

Moreover, try to avoid times of the day when you know demand will be high. If you’ve got some control over when you travel for example, avoid the busiest times of day to make your trip. Even if you have to get up earlier than normal to leave before the rush begins, you’ll thank yourself for it.

Avoid tight schedules

Whenever you’re travelling long-distance, be it in an electric car, a plug-in hybrid, a hydrogen fuel cell car or an old-fashioned gasoline car, trying to keep to a tight schedule only adds unhelpful stress to your travel.

For each hour you plan to spend on the road, add 10 minutes for travel in non-busy periods, and 20 minutes for busy periods like Christmas or New Year. If you’re in an electric car, plan an additional 10 minutes for each charging stop if you know the charging stations won’t be in demand. Add thirty for every stop if you know there’s going to be a queue, or even more when you know demand will be at Tejon Ranch levels.

By building in that extra time and avoiding the tight schedule, you’ll not only enjoy your trip more but also be able to drive more efficiently. That in turn should reward you with better fuel economy and less time spent charging or filling up.

Move on when you've got the charge you need to complete your trip.

Move on when you’ve got the charge you need to complete your trip.


This last one is super-important. If you know you’re going to be able to make it to your destination without charging, then don’t. It’s okay to drop by and grab a few minutes of charge if you feel you really need it — but save the charging stations for those who really do need it to complete their travel.

It doesn’t matter what type of car you drive: using public charging because it’s free or less expensive than using your home charging station isn’t okay. You not only prevent others from making the trip but you’re also taking advantage of the infrastructure. And one day, you’ll likely find how frustrating that can be.

While we’re discussing sharing, it’s worth trying to stay close to your car if demand is high. If you know you’re not in a hurry, let someone else use the rapid charging station while your car charges on a lower-powered station. Or move your car when you know you’ve got enough charge to make it to your destination.

Do you agree?

Was Saturday’s massive Tesla Model S queue a freak occurrence? Or is this the new normal for electric car travel on longer-distance routes?

What’s more, who do you think is responsible, and how should it be solved?

Leave your thoughts in the Comments below.

In preparing for this article, we reached out to Tesla Motors [NASDAQ:TSLA] for an official response. At the time of publication, we have yet to hear from Tesla on the matter, although we will print any statements given as and when they arrive.


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  • The Tesla charging network is its own worst enemy. It is reliable and free. What more could you want? The Tragedy of the Commons will strike against this network. Musk has promised the network will be free for the life of the car, but that may not be tenable much longer.

    Unlimited data plans for cellular or home internet access are slowly disappearing. Rarely can unlimited be sustained, unlimited finds limits except for the appetites of the consumers which seem boundless. In this case it was legitimate long distance drivers who overloaded the network.

    Eventually Tesla will have to levy fees, if only at busy times to moderate demand.

    • Danielle Andromeda

      What do data networks have to do with the price of tea in China?

      Unlimited data networks are failing because of poor infrastructure being unable to keep up with demand and companies being unwilling to expand because of greed.

      On the other hand Tesla has been building more and more Supercharger stations as time goes on and demand expands. This trend will continue into the future. The problem here was that people that didn’t necessarily *need* to charge their cars were charging them. Perhaps out of habit, perhaps to save a few dollars on their bills. No matter the reason they prevented people that needed to use them from doing so because they wanted to use them.

      This isn’t necessarily a Tesla problem so much as a human problem. I highly doubt there will be charging fees in the future. Tesla doesn’t need to change how the system works, people need to change how they think. Plain and simple.

      • You make a good point about habit and (perhaps) range anxiety. And we’re all guilty of it sometimes. Even I do it in my Nissan LEAF sometimes (although when I know I’m doing it, I keep close to the car in case someone else really needs the power).

        But it’s interesting how we’ve become transfixed by battery and range estimates. Even my 13-year old son, who has his own iPhone, does it. I caught him fretting over ‘charging’ his iPhone the other day when he still had 49 percent charge!

      • I agree it’s a human problem. Tesla won’t be able to change human nature so easily. Kinda my point really.

        I introduced data networks as a living example of why unlimited cannot be sustained indefinitely.

        Musk is growing his excellent network as quickly as he can, but he can’t outrun the demand unlimited will generate. It’ll catch up with him. Unfortunately it’s a promise he can’t keep.

        • ROBwithaB

          Unlimited data is actually a pretty good analogy.
          So based on that, what’s the business model going forward?

          • Thanks Rob,

            I’ve been thinking about this some more and I see two ways forward for Musk.

            1. When the Model 3 comes to market, levy a SC access fee for all new cars sold including models S and X as well as the model 3. Owners of cars sold up to that point can be grandfathered in for free SC for the life of the car as reward for being early adopters. SIgnature or founder models sold could remain exempt from such a fee.

            2. Continue with free SC for the life of the car, but increase battery capacity as fast as possible, thereby reducing the demand for SC in the first place. To discourage folks from charging at a local SC instead of home (an abuse pattern that has emerged) Tesla would have to bill the abusers. It’s critical that Tesla owners charge at home or work whenever convenient and not use SC’s for local travel, if that can’t be achieved the unlimited forever model will fall apart. Tesla may be well advised to give HPWC charging equipment and installation for free to employers so that apartment dwellers and home owning cheapskates have somewhere to charge other than the SC network.

            I believe the second option is preferable. The issue Musk will face is that in the short term demand for SC will exceed his ability to supply, but by increasing vehicle range that demand will level off overtime.

            Using the cell phone analogy again I realize that unlimited fails when a resource is in high demand and the ability to expand the infrastructure is limited. For example, we used to buy monthly allocations of minutes and text messages, but they have gone unlimited recently. However data which was unlimited is now limited or capped. Demand for voice and text have levelled off allowing the infrastructure to catch up, but demand for data is ever upwards and the scarcity of frequencies to carry the growing demand is limited. Google has shown the way forward with Project FI, which offloads all calls and data from the cellular network when connected to WiFi (similar to charging your EV at home or work).

            The next big headwind for the SC network will be when apartment dwellers start buying Tesla vehicles and use the SC network like gas stations.

    • serge delinois

      Eventually it will come down to private business building out for fee fast chargers for all cars. Also, It’s free for Model S and Model X but it may not be free for future models.

    • Zippy

      More superchargers will solve this occasional problem, and once every carpark (which typically has 100’s of spaces) have one charger per space, with no fuel tank and pump infrastructure required unlike petrol stations, there won’t need to be a queue for dedicated supercharger stations because every single shopping centre, coffee shop, cinema, roadside cafe, and every location that has electricity (which is generally every single place that drivers take their cars to) will enable fast charging of cars. Furthermore the fast charging speed will only get faster and the range capacity of batteries will only get better over time, with older models able to upgrade to faster and longer-range batteries come replacement time every decade or so.

      And free charging for life is actually sustainable for Tesla because unlike other industries their plan is ultimately to sell their cars to continually finance and ramp up an ever-growing energy-storing infrastructure that eventually delivers nothing but stored daylight, a free source of energy which bathes the Earth daily without fail, even in wet and windy places like England.

      • Sim

        I agree, electricity is available everywhere in the populated areas and powerlines pass through most other high traffic areas. So the problem is not the lack of electricity but the lack of chargers, superchargers or otherwise.
        I do not understand why every gas station is not gearing up or installing electrical charging even if it is slower charging. At least they will keep customers coming in through the door and hopefully( for them) pick up counter sales.
        All gas stations would have grid power.

      • itdoesntaddup

        A nice fantasy. All that power has to be supplied over the electricity distribution network, and fast chargers are expensive items that require an even beefier power supply. None of that will come for free, and it will be very disruptive installing it all – not to mention the arguments over how all the extra power will be generated. Want to queue while you wait for the sun to come out, or the wind to blow?

        • Julia Pigworthy

          If it was realtime energy delivery then solar, wind, and hydro wouldn’t be reliable enough a source.. the gamechanger is home energy storage that enables all that free energy to be stashed at time of geneeration for the grid to deliver to users as and when required. Once more of the world’s buildings have been adapted to both harvest AND store sunlight the grid will have more than enough input to feed it with the excess being stashed during troughs in demand to use later whenever there are spikes in demand.
          Instead of a country having a hundred big power stations there will be millions of homes acting as micro power stations, and any failure by one outlet is only going to affect the grid by a millionth instead of a hundredth when a whole power station goes offline. Users will also have the option of switching between exclusive use of their own harvested stored energy and feeding the grid when it’s overflowing, and might never need to pull from the grid again, merely selling excess energy or using what their roof farms and stores at home.

          The biggest opposition to this dream is from the energy companies who don’t want to be sidelined by homeowners becoming energy independent, the banks who won’t want people to invest in personally-owned income-generating assets instead of parking funds in their banks for them to lend to customers and charge interest on, and the Big State which gets worried when voters are self-sufficient enough that they won’t engage in expenditures that generate taxes.
          A truly pro-environment government of any stripe could unleash our potential by making it possible for everyone to sell their electricity to the grid and to cars wanting to charge on a homeowner’s premises on an open market at the same rates as power companies, without feed in tariffs or any other restrictions designed to keep the power companies in the driving seat and to prevent people becoming a nation of independent energy farmers.

          • itdoesntaddup

            The biggest problem for your fantasy is that it’s simply completely unrealistic. Evidently you haven’t begun to work out how much seasonal storage is required to keep heated and lit in a cold winter – nor that the sun shines little in cold winter latitudes in winter time. Prolonged periods of weather with low winds again require gargantuan amounts of storage to smooth out the fluctuations. Storage economics depend on being able to store and release energy frequently for the bulk of the capacity of the store. It can make sense to build a pumped hydro reservoir to meet daily peak demand, smoothing diurnal fluctuations. It’s a totally different game if you wish e.g. to store surplus solar energy in summer for use in winter. The store needs to provide several months worth of use – not just a few hours.

  • Tom Moore

    Apocalypse now, or just another example of too much demand concentrated in one spot? This happens every holiday weekend on the New Jersey Turnpike. And gasoline has been king for decades. Much ado about nothing…

    • Mark B. Spiegel

      How long is the wait on the NJ Turnpike from when you pull in until when you leave with 500 miles of range? And if one station is particularly busy, how many other refueling options are there within 50 miles (as no one drives with fewer than two gallons of gas left in his tank)?

      • Ticobird

        I think what you’re trying to say in a backhanded manner is that in any given area there are a hundred or more gas stations for every one Tesla Supercharger.

        • Rex Imperatur

          All of the same Tesla drivers could have been using Chademo stations with the chademo adapters Tesla offers. Those drivers chose to wait online as opposed to using other means to charge. So the only problem here are drivers choosing the convenience of not having to pay at a supercharger, as opposed to charging at a chademo station that could have gotten them on their way sooner than waiting in the line.

          • Ticobird

            The CHAdeMO adapter for Tesla is an extra cost and currently sells for $450 US. It is kind of heavy and bulky. Personally I might consider it if I consistently traveled farther from home than I do but since I don’t I’ll wait for the Supercharger network to be built out and suffer the wait if and when I need to.


    • Tom Moore

      If you drove the NJ like, you’d know that refueling points that don’t involve explorations are few and far between, like superchargers, which are being added to the service areas in some cases. The lines to the fuel pumps reach an hour or more (10-20 cars each) in peak periods. And you can’t leave your car to take a break or eat. My only point here is that long waits always result when demand wildly exceeds supply, regardless of what commodity is being marketed. Remember the oil crises of the 70s? It was even worse then.

  • crestind

    Lame excuses. Pure electric obviously isn’t up for the challenge. Series hybrids are the future.

    • Would you say the same if there was a queue for a gas station? That happens too, sometimes.

      • Paul Gipe

        Nikki, There’s a Shorepower station in Lebec with at least 6 240-volt ports. Leafs use it all the time. It’s clearly marked on Plugshare.com. I’ve documented our trips over the pass in a Leaf and you can find trip reports on my web site under Electric Vehicles.

        Paul Gipe

      • crestind

        But in this instance, were there queues for gas stations? And if there is a gas station queue, it’s about one car deep. I presume sometimes means the last Arab Oil Embargo…

        • P Donohue

          Driving from NYC to Ithica via NJ this summer, we encountered a 30 to 40 minute wait at a gas station in NJ. New Jersey seems to like hiding their gas stations.

          • crestind

            Probably has something to do with NJ’s retarded full service gas stations.

    • serge delinois

      When gasoline cars first came out they had the same problem. People on horses would just say I just find a pond and some grass. How did that work out?

      • crestind

        Worked out pretty well for the people with horses until they could buy a car that was actually better than the horse.

        • serge delinois

          Let me dumb it down for you… The gas car was better and eventually the infrastructure caught up. Same is happening today.

          • crestind


            Sucks for those people who waited multiple hours at Tejon Ranch I guess.

    • Tom Moore

      Series hybrids are an inefficient kludge made necessary by lack of electric charging infrastructure. It’s just a matter of time before this becomes obvious.

      • crestind

        Pretty sure most of the electricity in your fancy electric car is generated the same way a series hybrid does it. Through combustion.

        • QKodiak

          Sure… combustion in the SUN. Solar power all the way!

          • Devine White

            You don’t really believe that do you? Hydro is the best thing on earth, but the billionaire masters of the liberals see fit to waste money on solar and wind.

          • QKodiak

            Solar and wind would be a waste of money if they didn’t save the customer money, didn’t produce as much electricity as claimed, and had high environmental costs. But little of that is true.

            Existing Hydro is great, but building out new hydro would be an environmental nightmare, upsetting and destroying whole ecosystems.

            Installing solar on an many homes as possible not only helps them financially by lowering their electricity bill (in most cases), it helps out the power company by cutting down on peak load, and it helps the environment. A one-time manufacturing cost is offset by the 30+ year lifespan of clean power generation and even more offset by the amount of coal, gas, and diesel that you didn’t burn for those decades of use. It makes sense financially and environmentally.

            Now I’m not a liberal, but continually spewing pollution into the air that me and my family breath is not a good thing. I’m a conservationist. Also, saving some money is always good. Guaranteed power savings without cost fluctuations for the next 30+ years is even better.

  • Heck, I remember one summer weekend coming back across 40 towards LA and getting stuck in a two-hour long line for toilets at a rest area. Not to mention the lack of gas! These things happen. The line looks like it could use some queuing help but man, that looked nice and polite.

  • oic

    To be honest, they should make it cost something in the future e.g maybe $10 per charge or something. Free only encourage excessive use and that’s not good for the environment

    • serge delinois

      It’s free but almost nobody goes through the trouble of charging the car away from home unless they are on a road trip. Charging at home is too cheap to go out of your way to charge at a supercharger.

  • “…electric car skeptics and Fox News anchors like Neil Cavuto (to name just one) will undoubtedly get super-excited about…”

    Oh please, let him. There is no bad publicity, even more so because this confirms the immense popularity of the car.

    Anyone turned off by long queues for the newest Apple Gizmo?

  • serge delinois

    I think this is great news because it shows how Tesla Model S has become so popular even supercharger locations are getting overwhelmed. At some point Tesla will not be able to support a million cars on their supercharger network and it will come down to private business to fill the gap with fast chargers at highway gas stations. More scenes like this will probably get some company out there to make a fast charger with 3 plugs (tesla, chademo and Combo).

    Up until now there hasn’t been enough business to justify fast chargers on highway but with the Bolt and second generation leaf coming in 2017 there will be lots more electric cars doing road trips.

    • KIMS

      You can’t make a Tesla super-charger without buying into the whole “available for free to Tesla owners” thing. At best, 3’rd party that want to charge MIGHT be able to offer a non-super-charger solution that can plug into the Tesla cars.
      …at least that is my understanding of the Tesla licensing requirements for the super-charger stuff.

  • Needed correction in the third sentence: “illicit” should be “elicit”. The 101 or US 1 closure would not prompt anyone to go north/east over the Pass. Santa Barbara is a poor example you should change that as it weakens your argument. As for the content, this is an issue at times with many evse locations and one does have to plan well and have a backup to the backup! The timing is the key point, as in SoCal we have a lot of DCFC spots, but they are in shopping malls and so getting a charge at peak shopping times is much more difficult than at 7 AM.

    • GAH! Thanks. I saw my ‘auto-correct’ system try and correct this multiple times to illicit when I wanted it to say “elicit”. I’ll fix now. (It must have got past me in the final edit) – Nikki.

  • Sandra Hayden

    Expand the supercharger station by adding more superchargers. There is obviously the demand.

  • “And while the story has been generally ignored by the mainstream media
    thus far, it’s one which we’re sure electric car skeptics and Fox News
    anchors like Neil Cavuto (to name just one) will undoubtedly get
    super-excited about. In fact, we can already imagine some of the
    salacious headlines.”

    …yeah stop “Poisoning The Well” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well

    The reality is, the que could have been ten miles long with 12 hour waits and we would still be hearing the same thing.

    But we have seen a little glimpse of the automotive future Tesla wants for us and its only going to get a whole lot worse.

    It wouldnt have been news at all without our already uneasy thought at the back of our minds about battery powered cars wether it be for or against…but the moment it happened…all critics on attack…all supporters on defend.

    That alone tells me there was the great big elephant in the room and we were all just itching to bring it up.

    “batteries take too long to charge and too little to discharge for use in cars”…thats how its always been…and no, putting thousands more batteries in the floor isn’t solving the problem.

  • Rex Imperatur

    People need to stop acting as if Teslas can only charge at superchargers. Both Model S and Model X can charge at any of all the chademo stations available. It is a choice when a Tesla driver choose to wait in line to charge at a supercharger in a state like California where other stardards like Chademo and J1772 abound. I understand that J1772 would be a non starter for long distance travel, but there are plenty of dual chademon/SAE combo stations that Tesla driver could take advantage of.

  • Chris Boylan

    Sounds like Tesla should expand the site as you mentioned they are doing. But to put things in perspective, last Christmas it took us 90 minutes to get out of a mall parking lot in South Carolina after watching a movie. Nothing to do with charging, just creeping along doing alternate merge. Sometimes there are more cars than expected (and some mall parking lots are horribly designed to accommodate traffic). And avoid the roads around the holidays!

  • EVcine

    Here is something for you NAFTA countries citizens to ponder. This is not a problem that would happen in Europe and Asia. Why ? Because we have 3 Phase AC and TESLAs for export have this ability plus if you are smart and get the dual/twin chargers (one of the few things you can have done in TESLA after sale at a service center ) and it makes a huge difference. Take for example the MOSCOW TESLA CLUB officially TESLA is not even in Russia but they import cars from Europe and road trip on a combo of dual chargers / 3 Phase AC and Chademo. In a country that does not have 3 Phase AC as part of its normal electricity infrastructure it makes sense to install single phase 70 or 80 amp chargers they can make a big difference in difficult situations. This is the case in Canada where SUPERCHARGERS are thin on the ground but 70 ampers are quite common.

    • Devine White

      Um, we do have a primarily 3 phase system and it’s 60hz not 50 like most of Europe. It is not uncommon to find a 3 phase hook up in residential applications. I will guarantee you that everywhere there is a Tesla charger in the U.S. there is 3-phase power at that location. The strip mall you see in the story will run 3-phase 480v for lighting and most all of the equipment at the businesses in the strip mall will use 3-phase power. A simple Google map of that location and you can easily spot the 3-phase pad mount xfmr. The U.S. bulk electric system is solely based on 3-phase power. We invented the interconnected 3-phase power system, how in the world are you so uninformed?

      In the U.S. we often get quite a giggle when the Europeans speak of our ignorance all the while being totally ignorant of their own ignorance.

      • EVcine

        Here is the deal. TESLA puts the 3 PHASE AC charging system on their export cars only. The North American models do not have it. Now you are presuming something about my knowledge that is simply not true. I never doubted that in the industrial infrastructure at the utility level 3 Phase must be available. But here is the difference it is available at retail level in Europe but not so in North America hence TESLA did not put that charging option in the North American cars. But they do provide that in the export cars. If you were to ask for a 3 Phase AC hook up at a typical American hotel you will get a blank faced response. But in Europe the house electrician knows how to do that more easily than if you ask for a high amp single phase feed. Ironically I have found this works best when dealing with local people employed by an American international hotel chain. But ask someone at that same hotel chain in the home market of the USA for the same thing and you are not likely to get it. However if you are correct about strip malls etc then a new EV brand would be wise to take full advantage of it. I doubt if TESLA will change their view on the topic.